Comments on: Outright Crib

By: jonbirch

jonbirch — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 08:58:10 +0000

yeh, i wasn’t meaning to suggest that’s how gerard used the quote. authenticity in all we engage in sounds like a good approach to me.

By: dave119

dave119 — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 11:46:20 +0000

Jon – glad you agree with the quote… of course there are differing definitions and understandings and these need exploration through itterative process to look at application. I don’t think Gerard was interested in giving guilt. I think it is cheap and easy to knock church – much easier than engaging with it constructively and authentically. davex

By: subo

subo — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 10:47:19 +0000

cheers Jon.

By: jonbirch

jonbirch — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:56:56 +0000

dave… as much as i agree with gerard’s quote re church being plan ‘a’ and there is no plan ‘b’… i think gerard and i may have slightly different views on what church is. i’ve heard that kind of thing said to make people feel a bit guilty for not attending a sunday service. the sunday service and church are not the same, even though many a vicar may want to persuade us otherwise.

subo… learning to trust is where i’m at too. thinking of you. x

By: subo

subo — Sat, 30 May 2009 12:43:53 +0000

cheers for your posts Sonia and Dave

I think it’s been a ‘changing’ time for me over the last few months. I think I’ve had to face some of the ‘condemnation’ from my childhood, revisit it, explore it, and find the freedom to enter a more human place.

I think for me, learning to trust God, has at times involved unhooking some of the fear from growing up with asthma. In a culture that doesn’t want to acknowledge the difficulties asthma brings. taking me through a journey of fear, rage, self-blame, resentment and frustration. somehow though, that learning to trust, is a good place to be

By: Dave

Dave — Sat, 30 May 2009 11:03:41 +0000

Su – so sorry re the daily reading – think some of it was written by psycho sado-masochists if you ask me! Have started to read my bible as the true story – but at times fallible in terms of the political, social, cultural and psychological content! Hope that doesn’t sound too heretical but I am tired of it being misquoted, misused, misapplied – often out of context and often by control freaks who want to play at god in the lives of other people… sorry… rant over!! I do hope you feel a bit better now – take care. Dave x

By: soniamain

soniamain — Sat, 30 May 2009 09:05:45 +0000

I find those passages so depressing!. You have so much to offer Su and bring great insight and wise words to this blog. Sounds like you need some love and grace in your life not cross words and retribution.

By: subo

subo — Fri, 29 May 2009 06:40:24 +0000

Hiya folks,

I need a touch of SP’s in my life, I could really do with feeling some loving recognition from someone right now.

I just read a ‘daily reading’ on ‘how good it is when people insult you and scorn you’!!!, which felt a bit close to the bone as have been on the reciving end of lost of scorn recently,

- no, it’s not good, and the idea of a distant, intangible God in the same readings not much good either!, oh, for a friendly face or a smile

By: Dave

Dave — Thu, 28 May 2009 18:26:18 +0000

absolutely Sonia – sorry to keep harping on about SP’s – but it is the social-spiritual connectedness i am really excited about – amen to doing what we can do!! … well if you will 4 inch hills up the Champs-Elysées what do you expect!!!!!!!

By: soniamain

soniamain — Thu, 28 May 2009 11:38:34 +0000

Thanks Carole it was fantastic!- Clare and I really could have done street pastors flip flops for our tired and blistered feet!